Why does David Brooks describe himself as a “turtle” at a baseball game? That’s one of many hilarious and illuminating stories in my conversation with this wise writer who I’ve admired for years, which you can hear in the latest episode of my podcast.

Joining us is Tell Me More host Kelly Corrigan, my plus-one for the week — an exciting part of this revamped new season. ICMYI, I kicked off the new format in my can’t-miss chat with John Stamos, and there’s a whole lot more to come in the weeks ahead!

I loved How to Know a Person, the fascinating new book from David Brooks, which is all about how we connect via empathy, curiosity, and vulnerability, and how we can build these skills in ourselves. There’s even an empathy test you can take along with us in the episode that’ll encourage you to think about the role empathy and connection play in your life. Plus, you’ll discover new ways to build and use those skills to have a more “lit up” existence. We had a blast — dare I say it’s one of my funniest episodes ever? You don’t want to miss it!